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 Post subject: sonar help
PostPosted: Mon Aug 21, 2017 9:38 pm 
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looking for some help what is a good sonar that shows structure in ocean

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PostPosted: Tue Aug 22, 2017 6:56 am 
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LOL.... They all will to some degree.

Your question is way to vague. How deep do you want to fish. How bad are your eye's? Big screen, easier to read...Cost more.

The cost of the X-Ducer can easiely exceed the cost of small /cheaper units.

Garmin , Simrad, Furuno

I'd rather have at least Some buttons....I'm not super happy with Full touch screen.

I do a Lot of installs.

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warthog5 wrote:
I'd rather have at least Some buttons....I'm not super happy with Full touch screen.



Agreed. Buttons much easier to manipulate in rough seas. Muscle memory helps with patterns of hand movement to get to where you want to go. Touch screens not so much.

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1. What is your budget?
2. It needs to be installed properly for optimal use
3. A dedicated display is best or viewing that is having 2 units -using old unit for GPS, AIS, depth, speed, hot spots, etc

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http://www.airmar.com/uploads/brochures ... 202009.pdf

I would buy a high unit transducer without asking Warthog - that man needs a tip jar! - and also discussing proper install

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Do you have radar?

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No radar looking for a good unit that I can find structure in the Delaware bay? Don't want to spend anymore then I have to but will spend what I need to get what I want Tom

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PostPosted: Wed Aug 23, 2017 6:58 am 
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OK.... Your still vage in your answers, but at least we got Delware Bay out of you.

This show the depth's you will be reading at..... Or approximate anyway. Nothing over 100ft, if I'm not mistaken?

Garmin 1040XS - Airmar B75 600watt X-ducer. That is a thruhull.

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PostPosted: Wed Aug 23, 2017 10:00 pm 
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yes nothing over 100ft will these units show structure like site 8 has concrete what will they show. I just sold my 2008 2320 sport cabin and am going to get something smaller to fish the Delaware bay I really never had a sonar that showed structure. maybe I just don't know what it will show. Oh I am 65 so u know my eyes are not that good anymore

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the airmar b75 what the letter after 75 or what the frequency 40-75 or 130-210 or 80-130 all 3 have 600 watt

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was looking on youtube and it look like maybe that is what I need but what does the airmar b75 600 watt x ducer do for the unit

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Parker23.5 wrote:
the airmar b75 what the letter after 75 or what the frequency 40-75 or 130-210 or 80-130 all 3 have 600 watt


Yes they will show structure very well. You want the high numbers in that shallow of water.... B-75H = 130-210

You do know this is a Thru hull and a hole will have to be cut thru the hull.... I do them all the time.

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Now what unit would I need for over 100ft? Yes I know about the hole I would have to get someone to do it it a shame your in fl. but thanks for your help

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got a nother one for u one has bare wire, bare wire 12* tilt angle, and bare wire 20* tilt angle witch one do I want

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when you can go to Walmart,Westmarine, GPS store all have a different price is the 1040xs all the same or are there different ones they ranges from 2,000.00 to about 900.00

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is the 1020xs better then the 1040xs???

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PostPosted: Fri Aug 25, 2017 9:33 am 
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Pretty sure your boat is a deep V.....Therefore it needs the 20deg X-ducer......

Your boat is bracketed.....Correct? IE: engine on a alum bracket?

Looks like the Garmin 1020XS is pretty much obsolete.

Maybe someone else can help that knows if the hull is a seep V?

All this info is important. No you don't want bare wire X-ducer.... That's if you install a Black box....which you are not going to do that.

I can tell by your questions your a complete novice to this.... So were going to base everything on that and recommend a unit that will give you plenty of years to grow into.

The Garmin 1042XSV Garmin CHIRP sonar, CHIRP ClearV├╝ and CHIRP SideV├╝ scanning sonar

https://www.boemarine.com/collections/g ... transducer

So this unit has Side view also. Typical sideview lets you see out to to sides of the boat...It's good for aprox 100ft depth at the max. But you still also have Downview and that will go farther in depth.


This unit because of Sideview takes a total different X-ducer.

https://www.boemarine.com/products/garm ... khz-455khz



The head unit is ready for upgrades when you are. Radar is plug and play.

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PostPosted: Fri Aug 25, 2017 12:46 pm 
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I'm sorry but I do not have the 2008 parker anymore I thinking of some thing smaller but was just find out some thing I could use in the Delaware bay instead of going in ocean so I'll need to wait till I get any other boat but thanks I have learn a lot from you I did talk to some one here and they said to get something with side scan

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Well Knowing the deadrise of this new boat would need to be known for the items I suggested.

You just changed the WHOLE game with that piece of info.

Now the same head unit and a transom mount X-ducer.

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warthog5 been watching TV about the storm and was thinking of you and praying you are making out ok let me know when you have time Parker23.5

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Thank You...... I'm way over to the West in the panhandle...."Pensacola" Just a little wind and light rain yesterday.

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that good well talk to u later

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I get to run a variety of boats with different systems. There are different strengths and price points. Since we are mostly talking Garmin in this thread I would say that I like Garmin better than the Simrad/Lowrance systems for fish finder (there are other things I like better about the Simrad). I believe this is mostly due to the better and more transducer options(I havent run a boat with a new Navico total scan transducer yet) . For the Chesapeake Bay where we look for striped bass 95% of the time in less than 100' of water I like the GT52HW transducer with the GT51M second. If we fished deeper water I would want the GT51 However I am not sure how it would due for flounder fishing like I used to do in DE Bay growing up. A more narrow beam transducer may be a better option there.

Both Navico and Garmin structure scans are very similar to me. Both use very high frequency (455kHz or 800kHz) "fans" to mark and see structure. The high frequency of the unit and the relatively low power makes for great structure detail in shallower water. The weakness is that it does not mark fish well or is good in deep water. It also does not do well running. You have to be off plane going pretty slow for clarity of picture. This may not be a problem because if you know about where you are looking and can use the structure scan to find the structure, then go over it with the traditional sonar to see if fish are on the structure.

If you have $$$ to spend, the new Furuno 3D multi beam system is a different ball game. It uses a much lower frequency (165kHz) and much higher power (900w). This system is better for marking fish but doesnt give quite the structure detail. To me it is more useful because I would rather see fish better around structure than the detail of the structure itself. I ran one the other week and it did well at up to 22kn marking fish and structure too in 3D mode with a transom mount transducer. (couldnt run faster in a 24' boat blowing 15+ kn). Downside to the system is that it is an add-on sensor box to a TZT or TZT2 head unit and it costs over $3000.

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PostPosted: Thu Oct 12, 2017 8:18 am 
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Got a job coming up on a brand new 27 Cape Horn.

2- 1242xcs Garmins side by side

Airmar B175 M 20

Move a Fusion radio

Move a Garmin 100 VHF

24in Radar

The no connector X-Ducer is for running a Black box....These units can put out a 1000watts without a Black box...... So you want the connector for plug-N-Play.

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