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I was thinking of putting an auto pilot on my parker this year. I was going to go with the simrad for small vessels, I hear that they are the best for 25 foot boats, Just wondering if you guys have any thoughts on them. If you have a diffrent kind and you like it let me know. I appriciate your thoughts.
 

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I have a Raymarine ST 5000 plus on my 2520 DV. I have had the unit for eight years now and have been fairly pleased. Initially I had some problems with the rudder feedback sensor. Currently, Ray manufactures their own rudder feedback which is superior to the old Teleflex sensor. As far as Simrad goes I have never heard anything bad about them and in fact they have the best reputation, although I have never had the opportunity to use one. By the way the install on the Raymarine is fairly easy.
 
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I installed the Raymarine S1000 last winter on my Parker 2520 with 250 Yamaha 4 stroke and used it all summer, about 400 hours. Never a glitch but it does like its triple A batteries. Package comes with all hoses, fittings, etc needed including a CD Rom instruction CD. Wireless remote will hang around your neck or clip on your belt to allow change of direction from anywhere on the boat. Will hold course from 2 knots to 35 knots. Great for trolling and has built in figure 8, zig zag, circle, cloverleaf and something else but I forgot. Simple to install yourself, I guess 2 or 3 hours. You can buy the entire package for under $900.00.
 

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I have been extremely pleased with the Raymarine S1000 on my 2320 so far. With the money I saved on the other pilots I considered I bought some other needed items. So far I can't see any downside to the S1000. Yesterday I took the boat out and was able to operate the craft all day using the handheld remote- from all over the vessel. When programmed to run at a specific bearing it steered absolutely straight on my chart plotter and the wake behind us confirmed that.

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:D I thank you for all your help You guys have given me some options to look at. Thank you very much.
 

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FYI - from Powerboat Reports:

Autopilot Shootout

Reliable, responsive, and predictable are words that are synonymous with a good autopilot unit. Ever since Wood Freeman patented his small vessel autopilot system in 1935, the autopilot has been charged with controlling the rudder(s) of a vessel to maintain a selected heading.

Until a few years ago, most pilots were designed following the same basic layout: control head, compass, central processing unit (CPU), rudder-drive motor, and rudder feedback unit. A specialized compass would send the vessel's current heading information to a CPU, where it would be compared to the selected heading from the pilot's control head. If the CPU determined that the vessel was off course, it would send commands to the pilot's drive motor to move the rudder, steering the vessel back toward the selected heading. The rudder feedback unit, which was commonly installed in parallel with the vessel's rudder, would provide rudder position information back to the CPU. When the pilot's software determined that the vessel's rudder had been moved to a position that would most likely yield balance between the selected heading and the current heading, a stop rudder movement command would be sent to the pilot's drive motor.

Units tested = Furuno (Navpilot 511OB), Raymarine (ST6002+G), Simrad (AP16VF), and Nautamatic TR-1 Gladiator. Right: All were tested on a 26-foot center console.

During the past 10 years, many of the recreational autopilot manufacturers have been focusing on improvements to their units' compasses. The autopilot compass component has evolved from a magnetic style with fine wires laid on top of the compass card (like the early Wood Freeman Model 1) to the present day magnetic fluxgate compasses with optional vibrating gyroscope sensors, commonly called rate sensors. All four autopilots came with this compass technology.

The advances in autopilot compass technology alone have not kept up with the quantum leaps in marine propulsion. With many of today's 40- to 50-foot sportfish battlewagons pushing north of 35 knots and 25- to 35-foot center console boats with triple or quad outboards exceeding 50 knots, the autopilot manufacturers have had their hands full in designing automatic steering systems that can safely handle the increased speed, while accommodating vessels with power steering, water jet drives, Arneson drives, and now rotational pod drives from Volvo and Mercury.

At this juncture in autopilot evolution, the solution to control the plethora of different vessel dynamics appears to rest on the shoulders of the software engineers. And from what we experienced during our in-depth sea-trial of four of the most popular autopilots, the engineers have indeed built a better mousetrap.

The engineers at Simrad broke ground several years ago by applying auto-learning algorithms to their units, whereby the pilot's CPU would monitor historical trends of its input sensors (compass, rudder position, vessel speed) vs. drive motor activity and current draw. The goal was to identify steering patterns that the vessel was presently experiencing (following sea, quartering sea) while under the control of the autopilot, then apply a calculated range of rudder gain and counter rudder commands and automatically adjust these values until a balance between desired heading and minimal drive motor activity was achieved. The monitoring of steering trends yielded a system where the autopilot could constantly adapt to changing sea conditions.

The hydraulic pumps of the Simrad, Raymarine, Furuno and TR-1. The TR-1 uses a piston instead of a rotary drive (like the other units tested). In our test installation, the TR-1 was louder than the others, but the company says it quiets down in a proper installation on a boat.

Once autopilot engineers became satisfied with the control and response that they were achieving with their new learning algorithms, they expanded their reach by adding specialized steering patterns, such as man overboard (MOB), zigzag, circle, U-turn and the newest feature on the market: depth contour tracking. DCT, which is currently exclusive to certain Simrad models, is a great fishing aid that allows you to interface a depth sounder to your autopilot via the National Marine Electronics Association (NMEA) 0183 protocol. You select the depth contour that you wish to follow on the autopilot display, set out your trolling lures, and let the autopilot track the vessel down the contour line.

This year marked the introduction of Simrad's virtual rudder feedback system. Simrad received ample press about coming to market with an autopilot that doesn't require a rudder feedback in certain applications. (Nautamatic's autopilots have not used any rudder feedback for more than 12 years.)

Because the second most common autopilot failure is due to rudder feedback failure (number one being a customer-induced magnetic field on the pilot's fluxgate compass, e.g. a tool box) the removal of the venerable rudder feedback device on certain vessels is a big deal. On a boat fitted with outboard motors, the rudder feedback unit is installed onto the aft steering piston, directly exposed to elements, 12 inches from the waterline. Every time the helm wheel is turned, whether the autopilot is on or not, the rudder feedback moves. When the outboards are tilted up, the feedback torques and tilts with them. The question is not if but when the feedback unit will need replacing.

The units we tested without the rudder feedback worked as well as, if not better than, the conventional feedback fitted units.

What We Tested

The ECU for the TR-1's hydraulic pump must be mounted within 24 inches of the pump.

We invited five manufacturers to supply autopilot systems suitable for a 26-foot center console with twin Yamaha F150 outboards. Our intent was to test them head to head in two separate categories: with and without rudder feedback units. Three manufacturers immediately responded with products, Furuno (Navpilot 511OB), Raymarine (ST6002+ S1G), and Simrad (AP16VF). Nautamatic replied promptly but said our test course was too easy and would not highlight the unique abilities of its autopilot. We were able to satisfy the company's concerns and Nautamatic sent us its TR-1 pilot. The fifth manufacturer was Northstar. PBR placed numerous calls, left messages, and sent emails to just about every contact we knew of at its Acton, Mass., facility, but we received no response.

Nautamatic TR-1 Gladiator
Just about everything on the TR-1 Gladiator-the only U.S.-made pilot in this test-is different than the industry norm. Instead of a control head with a standard LCD display, the TR-1 has a waterproof keypad with LED lights to indicate operation. It can be mounted permanently to the helm or on a removable bracket and used as a wired remote. It comes with 18 feet of cable.

The Raymarine course computer houses the gyro component of the compass, so it must be mounted vertically (as indicated by the arrows).

During our test of the TR-1, we detected loud hammering noises in the steering lines. TR-1's chief executive officer Graham Dorland said that a proper, permanent installation can virtually eliminate this noise. To reduce pump-motor noise, Nautamatic recommends a vibration-isolation mounting pad, which is neither provided nor available directly from Nautamatic. Only the Octopus pump has adjustable flow-control and shut-off valves built into the pump body, which are high-end features. Also exclusive to the Octopus TR-1 design are pump rotation sensor wires that exit the back of the pump. However, the pump sensor wires are only 24 inches long and must be plugged directly into the pilot's Electronic Control Unit (ECU) via a specialized gold-plated miniplug. This forces the pump ECU to be mounted within 24 inches of the Octopus pump. The ECU, in our opinion, should have a longer cable so it could be installed farther away from the pilot's hydro pump in a more protected, drier location with better accessibility.

The installation of the hydraulic hoses was different with the TR-1 due to the addition of the shadow drive flow-valve sensor that needs to be installed horizontally in either steering line after the steering helm, but before the hydraulic pump. The shadow drive sensor comes on line during autopilot operation and senses if the helm has been turned by hand (presumably for emergency maneuvering) while the autopilot is engaged. This sensor automatically sends a command to the course computer not to counteract observed hand steering, thus there is never any need to switch the Nautamatic to stand-by mode to gain control of the helm. We found the shadow drive to be a great feature that instilled the confidence that no matter what, we were always in control of the helm.

The TR-1's course computer is located inside the softball-shaped compass. It has several sets of NMEA data wires, an ECU system wire, and a hydraulic flow switch (shadow drive) wire that exit the bottom of the compass.

In our opinion, some of the components and installation procedures could be improved, especially considering the unit's $3,500 price. For instance, the installation calls for using a tie wrap to keep male and female Anderson electrical connectors together. A connector with a locking latch should be used here, in our view. Twice during the TR-1 install, before we permanently installed the wire tie wraps, the connectors in question came apart. Nautamatic said the Anderson connectors are so durable, it's worth the tradeoff of having to use tie wraps.

In addition, since these units will be installed on small, open boats, a waterproof remote would certainly be preferable, in our view. (The Raymarine remote is waterproof.) Nautamatic said it is water-resistant and making it waterproof would cause the unit to be non-compliant with FCC regulations.

We also had difficulty mounting the TR-1's control head to our helm, via the flush-mount procedure. If the console is thicker than one-quarter inch, a pair of thread extenders need to be used (available from the manufacturer, but not shipped standard with the system). A set of threaded studs or a flush-mount bezel would make the installation easier and faster, in our view. Nautimatic said a very low percentage of these units are flush-mounted.

We felt that the mounting bracket that held the compass ball in place could have been a little more substantial, given the importance of this system component. The retaining ring that keeps the compass ball secured into the holder snaps around the compass and latches down with a plastic thumbscrew. It is almost impossible to latch the retaining rings in place with one hand. Nautimatic said the compass is light and the plastic bracket is very strong, and the company has been using the design for seven years without a problem.

We were blown away by every aspect of the product's performance. There was nothing that we could do to the boat to throw this unit off course. At 2 knots with one motor in gear, we actually had to verify that the sea anchor had opened properly-the boat's heading didn't change even a degree. At 15 knots, when we dropped out an engine, there was again no change. It appeared as if the TR-1 program algorithms are monitoring the engine RPM's very closely and knew what to expect when we abruptly killed an engine.

Even Nautamatic's GPS interface exceeded our expectations. At 15 knots, when we engaged a waypoint 180 degrees behind us, the TR-1 immediately put us into an aggressive, but controlled, turn. Nautamatic calls this a G-limited turn. All we can say is that within two seconds, we were spun around and tracking back toward the waypoint before the GPS plotter had time to calculate any cross-track error. Just for the heck of it, we repeated the 180-degree test, but this time when we were in the middle of the about-face, we pinned the throttles and held on. It felt as though we were riding bare back on a 50-mph cruise missile, straight and true.

Bottom Line:
The TR-1 autopilot performed flawlessly. A few minor changes to its installation would help further justify its price, in our opinion.

Simrad AP16VF
The AP16VF "virtual feedback" is Simrad's first recreational pilot fitted with virtual feedback software, eliminating the need for an external rudder feedback sensor on outboard and sterndrive vessels up to 40 feet. The AP16 shares the same gyro rate compass, course computer, and RPU series pump motor as its larger siblings, the AP25 and AP26. The LCD display control head on the AP16 lacks Simrad's signature round course-change knob. It has a pushbutton pad. We were told that the rotary knob was removed from the AP16's display so that the unit would fit into a standard 4-inch x 4-inch instrument space. Unique to the entire line of Simrad AP series pilots is the way each of the LCD control heads flush mount from the front side. The four plastic corners of the LCD control pop off and reveal mounting-screw locations. All the other autopilots tested mount from the backside via studs or screws. The front mount is more convenient, especially if the access to the underside of the helm console is limited, which is common.

The LCD display control head on the AP16 (left) lacks Simrad's signature round course-change knob. The knob was removed so that the unit would fit into a standard 4-inch x 4-inch instrument space. The TR-1's standard control head (right) does not have an LCD display, but tester report it worked just fine with-out one. The optional LCD display retails for $499. The company also offers an optional wireless remote, $600 retail.

For years, Simrad has been tweaking its autopilot compass designs, and the RC36 rate compass supplied with the AP16 has an accuracy rating of 1.25 degrees (rms) or less, which is quite impressive for an electronic compass. Simrad has always been proactive in suppressing stray RFI energy from entering its systems and compromising the steering commands. The AP16 uses an AC10 course computer fitted onto a ¼-inch-thick plate of anodized aluminum, and shrouded with a removable ABS plastic cover lined with foil. The AC series course computers were introduced last spring and feature highly advanced program software that let the installer know not only the amount of magnetic deviation that the compass is encountering at its present mounting location, but also the direction from which the disturbance is coming. This information can be extremely helpful when the pilot's compass has to be mounted in a less-than-ideal location. The AC series course computer will also tell the installer if he has installed the correct size hydraulic pump, via the rudder speed test. During the dockside installation setup program, the rudder test sequence will run the hydraulic pump through a series of motor speed tests, and will reduce the motor speed if the maximum recommended 8 degrees of rudder movement per second is experienced. At the end of the rudder test, a score will be assigned to the motor speed, as a percentage of motor output. If the score is very low (indicating only a small percentage of the motor's capacity is being used), it would indicate that too large of a hydraulic pump was selected for installation. On the other hand, if the score is very high, it would indicate that the pump was working at or near its maximum rating and may not be of sufficient size to generate the proper flow to move the vessel's rudder fast enough for proper automatic steering.

On the test course, the AP16VF finished a close second to the TR-I. The Simrad pilot's response at idle speed was a little slow and not completely on top of the low-speed range. Once we bumped the boat above 6 knots, the AP16 came alive and delivered confident steering up to the maximum speed. We talked to the Simrad engineers about our low-speed experience. Apparently Simrad programs the motor speed on the virtual feedback models a little more conservatively than on its conventional pilots with feedback as a safety feature for customer self-installations. Increasing the motor speed is achieved in the pilot installation setup via a few quick button presses, and we were told that Simrad's servicing dealers know all about this little trick.

Bottom Line:
At a price $1,000 lower than the Nautamatic, with a great-looking and informative LCD display, Simrad's AP16VF has it all.

Furuno's Navpilot 511 OB
This autopilot was first introduced in the spring of 2004 as a complementary component to Furuno's popular NavNet series radars and chartplotters. For years, customers who purchased Furuno helms opted for Simrad Robertson autopilots primarily because the early Furuno autopilots couldn't hold a candle to the performance of the Simrad systems. However, this is not the case with the new Navpilot 500 series. Furuno has produced a commercial-quality product that is very adaptive and seriously overbuilt.

The Navpilot course computer is a large, aluminum-frame box (10 inches x 12 inches) with a removable aluminum cover. It appears that Furuno has taken an extra precaution by surrounding its processor with aluminum to insure that Electro-Magnetic Interference signals do not enter into or radiate out of the pilot system. The compass that comes with the Navpilot is the top-quality $800 PG500R rate compass. Although this compass needs to be mounted horizontally, Furuno ships a 1-pound aluminum bracket with the system for vertical bulkhead mounting. The rudder feedback unit that is supplied with the outboard version of the Navpilot is Teleflex's "magic stick" feedback. Teleflex uses a polarized magnet that is clamped onto the outboard's steering cylinder and a receiving sonde stick that is fix-mounted very close to the polarized magnet. As the steering cylinder with the Teleflex magnet moves port and starboard, the receiving sonde keeps track of the position of the magnet, which directly correlates to where the outboards are pointed.

During our dockside alignment of the Navpilot, we had difficulty getting the magic stick feedback to respond linearly to our port helm movements. If we turned our helm by hand to starboard, the Navpilot would display a nice linear count from the midships position all the way to 40 degrees hard starboard. However, when we turned the helm back to amidships and started turning the helm towards the hard over port position, the Navpilot rudder angle display would erratically jump 5-30 degrees. Our phone call to Furuno tech support was answered by a competent technician in about 10 minutes, and after a couple of quick tests, it was determined that the Teleflex rudder feedback was defective. A new feedback unit was shipped from the factory to our local dealer, and the next day, we were back online in about 30 minutes.

Once we had the rudder feedback unit aligned, we set the direction and speed of the pilot's hydraulic pump per the installation manual. During the rudder direction test, we were intrigued by the complete lack of noise generated by the Furuno hydraulic pump as it turned the outboards. The only way that we could tell that the Furuno pump was operational was to put our hand on the motor and check for vibration. Furuno uses hydraulic pumps from Accusteer Co. in Bellingham, Wash. This pump was by far the quietest.

Once we had the Navpilot away from the dock, the compass alignment and the auto-learn procedure were very easy, thanks to well-written set-up aids on the unit's graphical LCD display.

In the calm-water test, the Furuno handled itself very well, with the excep-tion of when we deployed the sea anchor off the bow. We felt that the Navpilot took too long to react to the sudden torque that we applied to the bow, and had to play catch-up to regain control of the vessel. The Navpilot performed very well during our open-water test routine with nice straight tracks. The only time that the Navpilot blinked while we were offshore was when we dropped one of the outboards at 15 knots. During this maneuver, the pilot appeared to react a bit slowly, and as a result, we oscillated a bit before the pilot figured out how to handle the new condition. When we engaged a waypoint 180 degrees behind us, the Furuno responded by turning the boat around via a gentle one-quarter-mile radius turn.

Bottom Line:
The Furuno Navpilot performed very well, is an extremely well-built product, and is suitable for a wide range of vessels.

Raymarine ST6002+G
The heritage of Raymarine's new line of "SmartPilots" dates back to the days when Robertson ruled the powerboat market and Raytheon's Autohelm product dominated the sailboat market. So it is not an overstatement to note that Raymarine is very much a veteran player when it comes to autopilots.

Although the fluxgate compass that comes with the ST6002+ is nearly identical to the old Autohelm compass circa 1990, and the noisy hydraulic pump is still being manufactured by the Hypro Corp., the S1G course computer that this model uses is a brand-new design and is loaded with some very precise steering algorithms. We were a bit disappointed to see that Raymarine's S1G computer is constructed entirely of plastic, but considering that the unit costs $500-$700 less than a comparable Simrad or Furuno unit, we acknowledge the cost savings.

Like the Furuno autopilot, the Raymarine also exhibited out-of-the-box hardware failure. Fifteen minutes into the calm-water portion of our test, the Raymarine unit, which passed all dockside alignments and the auto-learn sea-trial alignment, sounded an alarm and flashed "over current" in its display window. We quickly isolated the problem to the unit's hydraulic pump and electrically disconnected it from the system. Our suspicions proved correct: Raymarine's pump motor had locked up and put a dead short on the system.

Not to be defeated, we quickly headed back to the dock and arranged with a local Raymarine dealer to loan us another Type 1 hydraulic motor. Back at the dealer's shop, the technician connected the Raymarine pump directly to his power supply and experienced the same over current condition. The tech loosened a few screws and separated the motor from the pump body. What we saw was a chunk of plastic that looked like part of keyway, jammed against the motor shaft. The dealer said he had been installing Raymarine pilots for over 30 years and had never seen this type of a failure.

Once we got the new pump installed, we took the Raymarine back to sea and put it through its paces. The ST6002+ handled all facets of the calm-water test, including the deployment of the sea anchor. With regard to the open-water test, the Raymarine stumbled a little when we dropped out an engine at 15 knots, but managed to quickly recover. At 40 knots, the pilot held a decent course, but we could feel it slightly pushing us around the selected heading. With the vast amount of alignment settings, we could have calmed the rudder action at the 40-knot mark with some tweaking.

We also tested Raymarine's optional E15023 SmartController wireless auto-pilot remote ($599). The SmartController is compact (6"L x 2"W x 1"D) and has a decent-sized LCD display. A wireless autopilot remote on a 26-footer is a bit over the top, but the E15023 also doubles as a Seatalk data repeater, displaying, for example, digital depth information at the transom while we were adjusting our fishing gear.

The ST6002 pilot responded immediately to the SmartController command, and the wireless connection felt strong, almost like the controller was hardwired into the system. We would have preferred to see this remote fitted with a float collar instead of a lanyard, and there isn't any wall charger provided with the unit, which makes recharging inconvenient.

Bottom Line:
The SmartPilot performed adequately, and with a $1,799 price, it's a good value.

Conclusion
The Nautamatic TR-1 won our performance test and would be a welcome addition to any helm. It is, however, significantly more expensive than the Simrad. Nautamatic's Dorland defended the TR-1's pricetag. "We have gold pico connectors. No one in the industry does this; they are expensive. We have fully potted and waterproof components-no one else can claim their autopilot is waterproof. All of this is more expensive to produce."

Still, we give an edge to the Simrad AP16VF because it finished a close runner up to the TR-1 in performance, it has a two-year warranty (the TR-1 has a two-year warranty if the unit is dealer installed), and the Simrad line within the AP series can be configured for boats to 60 feet.

Raymarine's ST6002+G pilot is a great value and a solid performer. Raymarine is a bit behind in offering this model with rudderless feedback, although the company does offer a smaller S1000 wireless product that's not on the same level as the units tested here. A quieter hydraulic pump and an upgrade to the flux-compass would improve these pilots. The Furuno Navpilot is definitely ready for primetime. We do not have any reservations in recommending this pilot for most vessels. If you have a complete NavNet helm and are contemplating a Simrad autopilot, there no longer is a reason to breakup the integration and purchase a non-Furuno pilot.

Raymarine, 800/539-5539, raymarine.com.
Furuno, 360/834-9300, furuno.com
Simrad, 425/778-8821, simradusa.
Nautamatic, 800/588-7655, nautamatic.com
 

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