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[Porkchunker]

I've been reading and reading and.... about the pros and cons of these two boats. I have all the specs, features and comments side by side and have been reviewing them endlessly. In the end, almost as many people seems to prefer the Parker 23SE as do the JB 23 CF. So, I figured I would come to the "experts" for your advice and comments. In addition, are there options that I should absolutely add and ones that I should not consider? With a local JB dealer now in the Annapolis area, I feel better about even considering JBs. Thanks for the help.

Surely you jest...after all we are a bit biased here at CP. You'll get expert advice about Parker, but not sure anyone who owns a JB is here on CP to help you out.

But I do hear JB makes a good boat. But then I don't believe they have anything like CP to cater to the JB owners.

Dave

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[B-Faithful]

Both are constructed and finished similarly. The parker is a larger boat though with a full 8' 6" beam.. Pick the boat you can get a better deal on as they are near identical when it comes to everything else.....


Edit.... Just saw you were in Annapolis. If it is NAMG who is selling the Jones Bros I will advise to stay away. Their integrity is near the bottom of the ocean in their service dept. That is all I will say here... (they are the only company I have ever considered taking legal action against in my life)

 

[TimeFlies]

I'm just trying to get some insight from those who decided on a Parker 23 SE. Most likly they also considered the JB. Understanding why they decided on the Parker would be helpful. BTW, Annapolis Boat Sales in Stevensonville will be the JB dealer. Not sure if this is the dealer your refering too - "stay away from". Thanks.

 

[greatcir]

On the Jones web site it says "By mid-2006, all Jones Brothers Boats were 100% composite and finally moving down the assembly line!" Took them 5 years to convert to all composite.

I doubt the transom is composite? And I could not find out what the composite is. If it is balsa on the hull under water, I would have to beg off if it were me. If it was one of the better more expensive foam composites, I would like to see that it is properly cut and glassed into the hull.

I also look at resale values rather than just the purchase price. Take similar boats from the last five years and see how each has depreciated as well as how many were made and sold in each year. Someday you will sell your boat.

Lastly, if I felt like a drive, I would personally visit each factory and meet the folks building my boat and see the conditions of the facilities. Always fun to see a boat factory too.,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,Pete

 

[B-Faithful]

I checked their website.. I appears that North Atlantic Marine Group at the Bay Bridge Marina no longer sells Jones Bros... I know nothing of the new dealer but will say if they rely on the Bay Bridge Marina for service to run far away!

 

[TimeFlies]

BTW, the transom is 100% foam/composite materials on the JB. I don't know much about boat building, but you can take a tour of their manufacturing process via their web site.

 

[Megabyte]

JB makes a good boat, but so does Parker, and there are a LOT of Parkers fishing in my area.

I cannot comment on the composite material that JB started using recently, but take a look at the Parker FAQ as it will give you some insight as to why they use wood, and why 'wood is good'.

http://www.parkerboats.net/pages/faqs/index.jsp

You can do a virtual factory tour on the web site too.

I own a Parker 2520, but I just spent a >20kt day fishing with a guide at the CBBT on a 23SE.
Report here:
http://www.classicparker.com/phpBB2/vie ... highlight=

After a day fishing in those conditions, it becomes obvious why 10 of the 12 boats fishing the CBBT that day between the 4th island and the high-rise were Parkers. It is also a fact that a majority of the light tackle guides in this area choose Parker over any other brand, and some of them participate here on CP.

Hopefully some of our members who own 23's will chime in and tell you why they chose a Parker over other boats they were considering.

Good luck with your research!

 

[J.A. Veil]

I bought a one-year old 2001 23 SE at the Jan 2002 Timonium boat show. It was somewhat of an impulse buy. I had been running a 17' Scout for the previous three years and decided I wanted to move up to a 20' - 21' center console. I went to the Timonium show intending to look and compare. I walked by the Tri-State booth and saw a 23 SE sitting there. Tri-State had given the boat to a local guide to use during the previous season. He gave it back at the end of the season. They were selling the slightly-used boat at a used boat price but with a full boat warranty. The engine had already been broken in and the boat was equipped with electronics -- it was ready to roll. The price on that particular boat was comparable to what I was being quoted for a 20'-21' new boat in some other brand.

Although I had not had any intention of buying a boat, i made a deposit and signed the papers that day. I had seen Parkers for many years but never thought seriously about owning one. I ended up getting a wonderful boat that does far more than I will ever ask it to do. The boat can go from 1.5' shallow spots on tidal creeks in the South and Severn rivers, and can handle 3'-4' bay chop. The longer I own the boat, the more impressed I am. I use it extensively for fishing but it also gets used for sightseeing. trips. Last August, I had many guests in Annapolis for a conference I hosted. I took 8 other people plus myself from my lift several miles upstream to a crab house for dinner by boat. We were crowded, but the boat handled the load easily.

Since I had not planned to buy a 23' Parker, I had not looked at other 23' center console models, including the Jones Brothers. I have seen a few JB boats on the water -- they look very much like my Parker. I do think resale will be better on a Parker because they are very well known in this region.

 

[Oscar]

John - I can understand the 23SE handling well with all those people on the way to Cantlers, but how well did it handle AFTER they ate a table full of their crabs? Merry Christmas!

 

[dave-j]

I looked hard at the JB 23 when I shopped for my 23 DV CC. The issue I had with them was just how spartan they were. if I were only fishing and wanted an absolutely utilitarian platform, then they might be it.

The other BIG difference is the 6" or so less beam. Walk around both if possible in the same afternoon. It will be very obvious just how much room you lose.

That said, some of the very best fishing I have ever done was on a JB Cape 23. Great boats.

 

[Capt. John Deering]

i would suggest visiting each factory. JB does make a great boat, as does parker. call donnie jones and parker to set up a visit. then go for a ride, on a winday day.

 

[portis]

I own an 18’ Jones Brothers that I’ve run for two seasons. I had looked at JB and Parker at the time I made the purchase and found the finish to be identical. My JB is a 2005 and still has wood in the construction. Wood or composite makes little difference to me with these boats, but I know this is an important factor for a lot of people. The ride is great but the 18 is a completely different boat than the 23 you’re considering. I’m looking to move up in size and I’m also considering the Parker 23SE and the JB 23. I’ll charter a day of fishing with one of the guys listed on the JB site who run the 23 before making a decision. I read somewhere that the JB doesn’t pound as much because it has a narrower beam than the 23SE, although then you’re sacrificing space. I also don’t believe everything I read on the Internet. I doubt that the difference in deadrise will make a noticeable difference in ride between the two, especially with tabs. It looks like the JB notch at the transom is not as deep as the Parker but a few inches there won’t make much of a difference either. Again, you’re splitting hairs at this point. Both are absolutely sweet boats and they have a good resale value compared to a lot of others out there so you can sleep tight with either choice. Parker is a larger company and builds more boats, one reason you’ll see more of them on the water. Donnie Jones runs a good company and their customer service is terrific. The 23SE will have a new console with a head and more flat space for flush-mounting electronics, you can find a thread with photos on this site.

 

[PDP]

These are both great boats. I own the 23 SE, but certainly would have been happy with the JB.

The Parker is a slightly larger boat in every dimension, is a bit heavier and carries more fuel. It has a bit more deadrise as well, but I doubt that is particularly relevant. I like the Parker hatches more than the JB, but that is a minor thing.

I think the under gunnel rod storage is better on the JB (for fly rods at least); the JB can be had in colored gelcoat which I think is an attractive option, and it is rated to carry an F250 (a substantial upgrade over the F225 of my boat I feel). Many guides run that boat with an F150 though. The JB is now composite - I don't care about that, but some do. In the past few years I was slightly more impressed wth JB's fit/finish, but it was a close call, and probably not a difference that makes a difference.

In my opinin, the new Parker 23SE console is a really fantastic improvement. Of itself, that probably would push me to the Parker today (I have little girls, and a head would be nice). Good luck. You are not going to make a bad choice here.

 

[FishPimp]

I agree with PDP with regard to rod storage under gunnels. A 250 on the back of my 23SE sure would be nice.
I think that the JB 23 is really nicely laid out for fishing. However the 8'6" beam wins me over especially with my dead rise. My boat does bob like the JB on the drift.
When I purchased my Parker I was also looking at JB's.
I went with Parker and haven't looked back since. Other than over my shoulder to look at the competitors trying to catch up.

 

[TimeFlies]

Thanks a lot for the comments. The next step will be a sea trial. Living in Annapolis, it's tough not to consider the service of TriState and the potential re-sale value of the Parkers (they are everywhere). I guess the good news is it doesn't sound like I can really go wrong with either boat. If only the "money trees" I told my wife to plant in the back yard would start producing some cash!!! I could use some right about now.

 

[Megabyte]

If only the "money trees" I told my wife to plant in the back yard would start producing some cash!!! I could use some right about now.

Brother... if you find the magic potion, I'd appreciate a little of it in my backyard too!

 

[ChrisC]

By mentioning money, you raise an interesting point.

If you think either brand -- Parker or Jones Brothers -- would work, take a close look at price and how much the dealers are willing to budge on both brands.

The new boat market is soft right now, and JB might be willing to give a little on price in ways that Parker dealers are not.

This is a buyers' market, and if you make a reasonable offer on a boat, your business should be appreciated and your offer respected and discussed seriously.

I'd put that in the equation as you make your choice. Parker's policy on pricing, and strict dealer territories to protect that pricing, might not be in line with the reality of the market now. A small bit of flexibility on price negotiations might tip the balance, given that both brands are first-rate.

Chris